Это ты про которых? Про тех, что на твоих фотках, с ягуарьей мордой или про видео? На видео персидский леопард, я мордой ягуара - африканский, а по твоим фоткам сразу видно (по морде), что это индийский подвид.

Вроде язык индийский!))

Отредактировано irbis1983 (22 May 2012 18:45:53)

Вроде точно индийский язык, я по говору чувствую, кроме этого они похожи на леопардов которых я видел!

Ну и напоследок драка двух леопардов:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRLh9XAR … ure=relmfu

Леопард вообще? Современный ареал- Африка и Азия. В нашей стране даже есть- дальневосточный леопард и адаптированный туркменский, которому суждено заменить собой исчезнувшего кавказского. Ранее леопарды населяли Европу, а места их обитания были значительно шире.

Один и тот же.

Если я "взят" из Грузии, то я грузин, что ли?:-)

Раньше встречались названия P. p. ciscaucasiaca (закавказский леопард), P. p. saxicolor (персидский леопард) и P. p. tulliana (анатолийский, или переднеазиатский леопард). Затем выяснилось что это все один и тот же подвид. Старший синоним P. p. saxicolor, значит это наиболее правильное научное название. Ну а по-русски правильнее всего подвид называть переднеазиатским (это уже ИМХО), так как он водится не только в Персии.

Однако ещё относительно недавно различали P.p. ciscaucasica  – для Большого Кавказа и P.p. tulliana  – для Закавказья и Туркменистана. Последний отличался большим размером черепа, более ярким основным фоном окраски и более короткой шерстью.

Вот именно что совсем недвно, но потом выяснилось что это одно и то же. То, что кискаукасика и туллиана отличались более крупными черепами не согласен. Я выкладывал самый крупный через этих "подвидов" - он принадлежит именно персидскому (саксиколор) леопарду из Голестана.

Непонятно, почему после объединения этих подвидов этих леопардов стали именовать саксиколор если старейшее как ты говоришь туллиана?

А по поводу всего остального. Сейчас и число африканских подвидов сократили. Из той же Аравии ранее был описан как nimr так и jarvisi, и даже еще какой-то. Но все это один подвид - nimr. Кстати на севере Израиля водился именно персидский саксиколор, а не нимр.

Кстати, щас посмотрел в вике, там теперь их называют ciscaucasica Satunin, 1914.
Неужели саксиколор было раньше?

PERSIAN LEOPARD

As for Persian leopards, there is very limited data but this may change given the recent initiation of research in Iran and some other areas. Accordin to thi srecent survey In a recent study 9 males weigh beetween 44 – 91 kg. Average for male is around 67 kg. In this research both Northern Persian and Southern persian were included. Southern Persians are smaller than their northern brothers since in Southern Iran their prey is less abundant. So we can assume that the average of Northern Persian males is 70 - 75 kg.

One male weighed in southern Iran in 2009 was 56 kg and 115 cm long (without tail) and had a very impressive chest girth. Although not a large leopard it was very stocky with a BMI of 42.3 much higher than African leopards. Furthermore, it was from southern Iran not northern Iran which along with Turkey and the Caucasus is reputed to have particularly large leopards. A male leopard from northern Iran measuring 171cm along the curves (approximately 160cm between pegs) is reported in “Mammals of the Soviet Union”. If this individual was similarly stocky it would have weighed around 240lbs (110 kg).

The persian leopard is very large and weight as much as south african leopards. A persian leopard found and killed by a hunter in Mujunkum (Muyunkum) desert of Kazakhstan, in the first time in the history. The animal was an old male and its hide (post) lenght measured 1.58 m. from nose till the tail. The tail was 1.05 m.

recors of hunters from Turkey and Iran argue the existence of 100 + kg male Persians


AFRICAN LEOPARD

Exceptionally large males weighing over 91 kg have been reported from South Africa’s Kruger National Park, where average adult weights are otherwise 58 kg for males and 37.5 kg for females. Male leopards from the coastal mountains of South Africa’s Cape Province are much smaller, with an average weight of 31 kg . (Norton 1984) suggests that this is because prey species are smaller in these mountains.

In the rainforests of north-eastern Gabon, one adult female weighed 26 kg, and two males weighed 34 and 41 kg .

In the rainforest of the Ivory Coast’s Taï National Park, on the other hand, a male leopard was captured which weighed 56 kg.

A full grown male leopard weight in average 134 lbs (60.6 kg.) in south africa (Kruger national park, sabi sand etc. where the top weights are 200 lbs), except cape and mountain leopards that otherwise weight in average only 70 lbs (30.9 kg.).

In Northern Kwazulu, Natal, a male (10 - 11 years old) captured by scientist was 79 kg., while a 3 – 4 years old male was 60, a 6 – 7 years ol done was 59.

The heaviest wild leopard weighed by researchers was a 96 kg (211 pounds) male captured in Namibia. The source of this record is the book, "The Hunters Or the Hunted?: An Introduction to African Cave Taphonomy" (1983) page 91. This book is authored by a scientist and the leopard was captured for study not sport hunting. And Peter Turnbull-Kemp a perfectly reliable source states in his book that at the time of his writing (1967) there were 7 reliable records of 200lb+ leopards that he was aware of.

The thing about leopards is that there is a huge amount of variation in size due not only to varying prey availability but also the presence or absence of lions and tigers. There is actually very limited data for leopard weights/measurements compared to lions, tigers, and even jaguars and almost all comes from areas where leopards were never considered particularly large. According to Pocock a well reputed expert on leopards and other cats the largest leopards in Africa were from Algeria, Upper Congo/Southern Sudan, and the coastal forests of West Africa. This was primarily based on skull measurements and while I don't know of any measurements for the Algerian leopard those from coastal West Africa and Upper Congo are indeed very impressive approaching the Pantanal jaguars in skull length.

The average skull length of 7 mature male leopards from North Eastern Congo (DRC) was 261mm including two at 279mm and 282mm. Even more impressive a sample of 3 male leopard skulls from the coast of Gabon had an average length of 274mm with the largest at 282mm. While the Gabon sample is small and thus may not be reflective of the true average it is impressive nonetheless that such large skulls are present despite a very limited sample. For comparison the average skull length of 17 adult male jaguars from Venezuela was 282.2mm and 12 from the Mato Grasso area of Brazil averaged 282mm. On the other hand, the East African plains leopard or the Southern African leopard which we are used to seeing have an average skull length of about 230mm and only exceptional males reach 260mm.

Most of this data can be found in Pocock’s The Leopards of Africa (1932) and some in J.A. Allen’s “Carnivora Collected by American Museum Congo Expedition”. The data for jaguars is from “Notes on the biology and status of the jaguar in Venezuela” by Mondolfi and Hoogesteijn 1986.

Leopards from the Atlantic equatorial forests of Africa are probably very large based on skull measurements (near jaguar sized skulls). The Loango NP region of Gabon is said to be a pristine area with undisturbed wildlife and is home to a large population of this type of leopard. People suspect male leopards from this region to be around 70kgs on average. Thus leopards in parts of equatorial Africa reach skull lengths of around 280mm with some regularity which is about the same as an average male jaguar of the largest types. It is not at all farfetched to hypothesize that such large skulled leopards will weigh 200lbs or more given that a jaguar with an equal skull length weighs around 220lbs. This is further substantiated by the fact that these forest leopards have particularly stocky, jaguar-like builds based on the few available photographs.

Leopards from parts of equatorial Africa can obtain based on the above data it would be perfectly sound to suggest he weighed around 200lb.
Although large skulls may not necessary reflect a correspondingly large body size, skull size is considered a reliable indicator of size by scientists. The reason why these equatorial forest leopards are so large is probably due to the absence or scarcity of lions in the region combined with the abundance of prey. Keep in mind however that not the entire Congo rainforest has such large leopards but specifically the north eastern part and certain coastal parts where the forest supports more prey. The leopards from the central Congo rainforest have an average skull length intermediate between the large forest leopard types and those from the East and Southern African bush.

Another area of mention which probably supports very large African leopards is the forested Rift Valley region of central Kenya. One source suggests that the “mountain leopard” of this area is typically 25% larger than the plains leopard (the kind regularly featured on tv documentaries). Also most of the very large skulls recorded in Rolwand Ward’s are from the Kenyan highlands. While the reliability of Rowland Ward’s is certainly questionable there’s no reason why measurements from one region would be more exaggerated.

Leopards are reputed to be very large specifically from the highland forests along the Rift Valley region in Kenya (and northern Tanzania to a lesser extent). Those from the bush or plains are said to be much smaller. The Masai Mara is part of the Serengeti ecosystem and is mostly open plains. Here leopards have access to abundant prey but there is also a dense population of lions which restricts their size.
In hunting literature the large type of leopard of East Africa was usually referred to as the "mountain leopard" and was considered a much better trophy than the "plains leopard". Not only is it much bigger it also has a darker more richly colored coat with larger rosettes. Large leopards of this sort are probably still found in the forests of the Aberdare mountains and Mt Kenya. A small but dense population of impressive leopards also exists in the nearby Lake Nakuru NP.

Most of the very large leopard skulls recorded in Rowland Ward come from the mountain forests of Kenya. Listed skulls from the region measure up to 286mm long with a good number of skulls over 260mm in length. In contrast there are just a handful of similarly large skulls listed from south eastern Africa (Kruger NP area). Forests on the Aberdares and Mount Kenya, provide excellent habitat for leopards, with plentiful prey and few lions. Before the hunting ban they enjoyed a high reputation amongst the professional hunters as the leopards there were large (60 – 95 kg/ 132 – 209 lbs.), abundant and handsome, with melanistic individuals not uncommon and provided fine tropies. Treetops Salient in the Aberdares has the densest population of warthog, bushpig and giant forest hog I have ever seen in Kenya despite having also a dense population of unusally large leopards.

Leopards from Northeastern Congo and Southern Sudan have similarly large skulls as the coastal leopard and are probably similar in size or possibly a little smaller.

Leopards from the forests/highlands of central Kenya are often said to be very large.

Leopards in these parts of Africa probably average around 150lbs and possibly 160lbs with 200lbs not being uncommon.



INDIAN LEOPARD

The largest Indian male called Balaji, caught at 108 kg and 139 in the captivity. It is also the largest wild leopard ever recorded.

Average weight. 52 Kg (54.5 kg. in another source). Average head and body length of 4 males: 130,2 cm. In another source the average total length is 7 ft. (215 cm.), female about 1 ft. (30 cm.) less. An exceptionally large male may reach 8 ft. (245 cm.). Weight 150 lb. (68 kg.), female about 110 (50 kg.). these are maximum weights. Ordinary weights are 115 lb. (52 kg) and 85 lb. (39 kg.). there is much variation in size in various parts of India.

Adult weights for male: 50 - 70 kg. and females: 29- 54 kg. (Nowell and Jackson 1996).

In the Indian subcontinent leopards seem to reach impressive size in areas where there are few tigers. In such areas the average weight of males may be around 65-70kg. Dunbar Brander a very reliable naturalist suggested that the average jungle leopard (as opposed to those that hang around villages) is around 150lb (68kg). Some very large skulls have also been reported from India (length plus width) over 19".


SRYLANKAN LEOPARDThe largest record is 77 kg. Average weight of 11 males: 56.3 kg (58 in another source). average head and body lengght: 126, 5 cm. The largest male record: 77 kg.

INDOCHINESE LEOPARD

Average weight of 3 males in Thailand is 56.7 (40 - 70). Average Head and body leght is 127,3 cm. (119 - 132). In another survey, a prime adult male weighing 40 kg. head and body lenght 132 cm. hind foot lenght 24cm. A young adult male was 37 kg., with head and body lenght 112 cm. hind foot lenght 23cm.

NORTH CHINESE LEOPARD

North China Leopard (Panthera pardus japonensis) is a subspecies of leopards native to northern China. This leopard is so rare that it is almost never seen in the wild. The North China leopard is a medium sized leopard. The rosette pattern of the North Chinese leopard almost resembles a jaguar pattern. It has longer fur than other leopard subspecies and has the darkest coat of all leopard subspecies. They have darker orange background fur than other leopard subspecies. Average for males is stated as 50 kg, but no source found for this measurment.

JAVAN LEOPARD

Body weight range of male 40-60 kg. Average is 50 kg. No scientific source has been found for this info.

AMUR LEOPARD

Amur male leopards are not larges and weight in average 110 lbs (50 kg.). According to another measurement male amur leopards are between the range of 32 – 48 kg.

Old resources argue the male's weight between 37.2 - 89.8 kg. The average is 63 kg.

ARABIAN LEOPARDArabian leopard (Panthera pardus nimr) is a smallest subspecies of leopard than that of its cousins in Asia and Africa. Very light in colour, the deep golden yellow between the black rosettes is only present on the animal's back, whilst the rest of the body is beige to greyish-white. At about 30 kg (65 pounds) for the male and around 20 kg (45 pounds) for the female, the Arabian leopard is much smaller than most of the African and Asian races.


To sum up, the largest races of leopard are those from Turkey/Caucasus/Northern Iran/Turkmenistan area, Barbary or Maghreb countries (Morocco/ Algeria) West African Coastal forests, Northeastern Congo/Southern Sudan, Kenyan highlands, South Africa/Namibia and some parts of India where tigers were few.

http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9552171/4/

Короче, умники, забили мозгами?  Молодцы! Можете лишить меня звания советник и прочих. Да, я не права. Ткнули носом. Спасибо.

Отредактировано Ardynictis (27 May 2012 21:16:17)

Ardynictis :

Короче, умники, забили мозгами?  Молодцы! Можете лишить меня звания советник и прочих. Да, я не права. Ткнули носом. Спасибо.

Какая ты взрывная стала...! Какими мозгами? Кто б там кого "забивал"? Я, что ли? Это тебя-то?! Не-а, мне слабО будет с тобой тягаться. И не ткнули носом, а слегка подправили. Просто уже СТОЛЬКО про наших сочинских леопардов говорено, что аж надоело. Короче, не обижайся. Вот уж кого-кого, а тебя не было и в мыслях обидеть.

Леопарды! Одно слово и образ грации, смелости, красоты. Ребята, а кто их видел на воле? Расскажите ощущение от встречи с прекрасным, достойным животным, пожалуйста.