Разница в том что кроме медведя тигра никто так не провоцирует, и не гоняет.

Извечная вражда каноидов и фелоидов, интересно было бы послушать специалистов.

Чем наш форум отличался, так отсутствием срача, сия же тема мне очень напоминает тему Спартак-ЦСКА на футб.ресурсах, готов признать что медведь гумно(но не Спартак) и я вляется обычным пищевым обьектом для тигра.

Казимир Малевич :

Алекс :

В данной ситуации ,уже приводили случаи убийства больших мишек

Ну продублируй тогда, не сочти за труд. Насколько там мишки были большие, насколько тигры были большие. Это твои слова - медведи 300 кг... вот и давай источник. Или хотя бы где тигр был намного меньше по весу.

Знаю по постам, Алекс, что в ссылках и данных ты точен.

Но если таких данных нет, то это - умозрительное, необоснованное заключение с искажением фактов. Проще говоря - элементарное фуфлыжничество.

Еще раз повторю свое раньше выложенное сообщение для полублотных ( Originally posted by Ellik:

В исключительных случаях (статистика допускает такие ) тигр может убить взрослого самца бурого медведя. Знамы один загадочный случай:
Alexious
"В декабре 1959 г. на р. Светлая тигр убил крупного бурого медведя и жил около него примерно 10 дней, пока не съел (Раков, 1965)". Достоверность можешь спросить у Владимира и других почетателей мишки!

Народ, тигр срет какашками, в которых содержание медведей около 20-25% по массе, медведь срет какашками, в которых около 0,001% тигра (в основном ранее, независимо от медведя погибшего).
О чем вообще базар?! Медведь любого веса - добыча тигра! Кто не верит,его проблемы!

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Хватит издеваться над медведом никогда и ни при каких обстоятельствах он не ляжет под тигруху, экскременты они и есть гумно мишка переваривает в разы быстрее, так что от тиграши только маячок остаётся (Рус не злись, я в муку)

Привет, Саня, чего мне злиться, есть очевидная статистика: тигр отлавливает и жрет медведов!

Crazy Zoologist :

То медведицу, а белого медведя весом в 800 кг?

А что такие сейчас есть?

Самые  большие белые медведи живут(подвид) вроде в Гренландии и иже с ними,крупные взрослые самцы весят 400 с гаком(по Успенскому),самки почти в 2 раза меньше.На 800 кг медведи встречаются не чаще чем тигры на 389 или 384 кг.Учитывая что у мишки на 800 35-40% жира,от чего он мение поворотливый и более вкусный...При эффекте внезапности у амурца-валуева шанс есть,если конечно Белая Спина не успеет нырнуть в прорубь.

Crazy Zoologist :

Казимир, известено по крайней мере два случая, когда тигр убил ВЗРОСЛОГО слона. Во втором случае тигров было двое.
Известен случай как тигр убил гаура весом в 700 кг.
Что такое медведь в 300 кг?

Crazy Zoologist известено по крайней мере когда ursus malayanus убил тигрa (Правда ,погибли оба) Что такое ursus malayanus  в 60 кг?


While nearly all animals have a particular area which they frequent-as the low coast region, the plateaus of these tropical lands, or the higher parts of the mountains-the rhinoceros lives indifferently anywhere between the sea-shores and the tops of the highest peaks. This species has two " horns," the first being the longer and more sharply pointed, but the Java species has only one. The natives here know nothing of the frequent combats between these animals and elephants, that are so frequently pictured in popular works on natural history. The Resident has, however, told me of a combat between two other rivals of these forests that is more remarkable. When he was controleur at a small post, a short distance north of this place, a native came to him one morning, and asked, if he should find a dead tiger and bring its head, whether he would receive the usual bounty given by the government. The Resident assured him that he would, and the native then explained that there had evidently been a battle between two tigers in the woods, near his kampong, for all had heard their howls and cries, and they were fighting so long that, he had no doubt, one was left dead on the spot. A party at once began a hunt for the expected prize, and soon they found the battle had not been between two tigers, as they had supposed, but between a tiger and a bear, and that both were dead. The bear was still hugging the tiger, and the tiger had reached round, and fastened his teeth in the side of the bear's neck. The natives then gathered some rattan, wound it round them, just as they were, strung them to a long bamboo, and brought them to the office of the Resident, who gave a full account of this strange combat in his next official report.
These bears are popularly called " sun" bears, Helarctos Malayanus, from their habit of basking in the hot sunshine, while other bears slink away from the full light of day into some shady place. The Resident at Bencoolen had a young cub that was very tame. Its fur was short, fine, and glossy. It was entirely black, except a crescent-shaped spot of white on its breast, which characterizes the species.
Путешествия в Восточном индийском Архипелаге - Альберте С. Блэкмор
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Да и ещё известено по крайней мере когда человек убил 3-метрового  тигра.(big tiger that was 10 feet and 6 inches long from head to tail )


Dated: February 29, 2004

KALADAN NEWS

A Heroic Fighting Between Man And Tiger

Maungdaw, February 29: A superhuman fighting was occurred between man and tiger at Maungdaw Township in Arakan State, western Burrma, said a village Chairman to our sources.

On 10th February 2004, a man, 45, accompanied by his two sons, 25, 15, and his grand son, 13, hailing from Kiladaung of Maungdaw Township went to the mountain to collect firewood for their families. After collecting their firewood, they were taking rest on a mountainside till 12:00 noon. At that time, they were hungry and thirsty, so, the eldest son together with his nephew climbed down the mountainside to carry water from the creek with containers, while the father and his younger son were constantly taking rest on the mountainside, he further added.

When the eldest son and his nephew were taking drinking water from the creek with their containers, a big tiger that was 10 feet and 6 inches long from head to tail was waiting to hunt them. But, it was not known to them. Suddenly, the tiger was running fast towards them and at first attacked the eldest son and left him dead on the spot, while the nephew was crying with fear. A few minutes later, the tiger attacked the latter and killed him also at the same place, said a villager named Lalu to our source.

On hearing the crying, the father with his sword and his younger son rushed to the spot and seeing the tiger, the son quickly climbed up nearby a tree, but his father, holding his sword strongly and moving towards the tiger very bravely and carefully. While the tiger was looking to his approach, the man saw the dead bodies of his elder son and grandson lying on the ground with blood. So, it pushed him courage and swore to attack the tiger for taking vengeance on his son's killer, he further said.

In one stage, the tiger ran fast towards the man and attacked him, while the man also attacked the tiger's face with his sword. Fortunately, the tiger was seriously wounded in it face and retreated a few yards back. At this time, the man was not seriously wounded, said a relative to our source.

A few minutes later, the tiger again came and attacked the man and he also attacked the tiger with his sword. This time, the tiger successfully holding his neck and the arteries have been cut off and the tiger was also fell down on the ground with injuries and instantly dead, sources said.

But, the man did not fall immediately senseless and called his son by giving the loud noises, who was going into hiding for fear of tiger. Hearing the father's call, the son appeared in front of him and explained his son about the incident in detail. He asked his son that the condition of him was not good, so, quickly went to the village and informed the relatives about the matter, said another villager to our source.

Hearing the last words of his father, the son went fast to the village to inform the villagers about the incident. Hearing the strange news, villagers, relatives, Nasaka forces, police and Military Intelligent rushed to the spot. But, the heroic fighter was dead at the side of his son and grandson before villagers' arrival, the villager further said.

Then the villagers to the village carried the dead bodies of father, son and grandson and also the tiger. The next day, all the dead bodies were buried in their village cemetery by the order of concern authorities. But, the family of the victims had to pay Kyat-90, 000/- to the concerned authority not to carry out post-mortem, said another relative.

The SPDC authorities collected some money from the villagers to support the victims' families. Leather and the bones of the tiger were taken by the authorities and left meat for the villagers.He is survived by his wife, two daughters and one son.

Previously, the tiger killed about 25 persons across the Maungdaw Township within one year.
http://www.burmatoday.net/burmatoday200 … aladan.htm
Что такое ursus человек  в 60 кг?

Отредактировано Wladimir (13 September 2009 21:04:00)

Crazy Zoologist :

Трибл, даже медведя весом в 800 кг? А белого?

1800  кг.

Алекс :

Возьми у Владимира ссылку на сайт охотников , они тебе  про вес раскажут, и при каких обстоятельствах, для меня этот вопрос давно ясен!

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