Я тут перечитал тему. Весьма интересно. Запоздало, но откомментирую некоторые посты.

1. И собаки и кошки едят жертву живьем в тех случаях, когда по-другому нельзя.

2. Крупные кошки также играют с добычей как мелкие. Во время обучения котят.

3. Псовые разрывают жертву со всех сторон, потому что иначе убить ее не могут.

4. Кошки тоже часто очень долго убивают жертву и едят порой ее живем.

5. Я не в курсе о взаимоотношениях ликаонов и павианов, но в среднем члены стаи ликаонов крупнее павианов. 40 кг это очень крупный самец чакмы или мандрилла. Обычно они весят меньше. Другие павианы вообще мелкота. При этом крупных самцов в группе павианов всего несколько. А ликаоны все примерно одного размера и самки не хуже дерутся, чем самцы, в отличие от павианов. Так что если была бы НУЖДА, то стая ликаонов вполне успешно могла бы разбить стаю павианов. Группой атаковала бы двух-трех самцов, а самки в панике разбежались бы.
Что касается леопарда, то павианы могут его разорвать в группе. Если леопард поймает одинокого самца паиана, даже очень крупного - он его убьет.

Да, мелких убивают сразу.
И кошки тоже иногда пожираю.т добычу живьем. Так что Нестор переборщил.

Тут просто череп такой, да и непонятно настоящий он или самодельный. Также непонятен, если череп настоящий, возраст особи.

Вот:

Вопрос к знатокам анатомии и физиологии. Наиболее выносливые (на галопе) собаки имеют глубокую грудную клетку. Тут почти нет исключений - борзые, доберман, волк... Но у гиеновой собаки не так. Но ведь именно она самый выносливый бегун среди псовых на больших скоростях (галопе). Почему так?

Объемная грудная клетка характерна для высокоскоростных борзых типа грейхаунда. Они быстрее гиеновой собаки, но не так выносливы. Самые выносливые борзые - салюки, тазы и т.п. имеют менее объемную грудную клетку, но все равно относительно она вместительнее, чем у гиеновой собаки.

Кстати думаю что выносливость рабочих азиатских борзых сопоставима с таковой у гиеновой собаки.

White Rhinoceros, African Wild Dogs, Spotted Hyenas, Leopard

Wild Dog pup killed by Leopard and Hyena

by Rich Laburn on September 15, 2011

in Guest's Footage,Wildlife Diary

African wild dogs number between 3000 and 5500 in the whole wild world, and today there’s one less than there was before. We were hot on the tracks of a young leopard who was proving elusive, when we suddenly found ourselves pretty much in the middle of a pack of these gorgeous dogs. We followed the adults and five young pups, driving hard over everything in our way to keep up with them, as they ran through the scrub, clearly in hunting mode. Their highly civilized social structure, which is fiercely protective of young pups, the elderly, the sick and the injured alike, forms a fascinating contrast with their obviously feral instincts and pure gumption – we saw them leaping at a rhino probably twice their combined size and weight! The pack continued on its way, and not wanting to lose sight of such a rare animal, we followed.



We had just entered a small valley, while the dogs, ahead of us of course, were making their way up the other side. The first strange thing I noticed was that they were all looking back into the valley, and then started running back down. Before seeing anything I remember hearing someone saying “Oh my god, a leopard is attacking the wild dogs,” and then I saw it. The leopard, who we later found out was the Maxabene 3:2 Young Male, otherwise known as Pinky – named so because of his extraordinarily pink nose, had charged straight into the pack, targeting a young pup. We had seen this pup minutes before frolicking with its siblings, tumbling here and there on the road, but now, with one great swipe of his paw, the leopard had incapacitated it entirely.
Wild-Dogs-Chasing-Leopard-up-Tree-by-Sanjana-Manaktala

It was an attack born of desperation and was not to go unavenged – the entire pack turned and pounced on the leopard, refusing to let him finish the job. They got him down on the ground, as I watched in horror, trying through the tears that filled my eyes to bring my camera around to capture the tangle of bodies. He writhed and wriggled somehow out of their grasp and bounded up a tree out of reach within seconds. My heart was in my mouth and I almost didn’t know where to look, till a sudden high-pitched scream filled the air and someone yelled “Hyenas!” My camera moved almost before my eyes, and my finger was pressed down hard on the button, trying to capture digitally events that were moving too fast perhaps for my memory. With the pack focused on the leopard, hyenas had appeared within 20 seconds, sunk their teeth into the injured pup, killed it and begun to make off with it. The pack worried the hyenas for a few seconds, snapping at their haunches, but soon realizing there was no hope for the pup, they cut their losses and ran. The safety of the four remaining pups was paramount.



The hyenas brought the carcass within 5 feet of the jeeps, and began their little feast. There were three, but hierarchy within a clan dictates that the alphas feed first and so it was that two fed and one watched right till the end. The smell of death pervaded the air, reaching even my blocked sinuses, and the sound of bones crunching interspersed with their horrific shrieks is something I will never forget. The shock seemed to have numbed me, as I made sure my camera was steady as I recorded the hyenas tearing the carcass of the puppy to pieces. I watched and recorded as one hyena tore off a paw and stood with it sticking sideways out of his mouth, while another ripped flesh from bone, the poor pup’s head flopping limply from its powerful jaws. I almost couldn’t breathe but the recording went on.



In the meantime, the wild dog pack had disappeared but the leopard was still up the tree in front of us. Once a certain calm prevailed, he slowly made his way down, and began creeping towards where the hyenas were devouring the carcass, their paws, chests and muzzles spattered with blood. He moved ever so slowly and carefully, and though we could see him clear as day, the hyenas hadn’t a clue he was around. Still, they picked up the carcass and moved to a spot further away, while we watched the empty belly of this desperately hungry leopard heaving with each breath. The third hyena reappeared suddenly, forcing the leopard up another tree. Grasping at every flash of a photographic opportunity, I recorded him watching the hyenas take the kill that was perhaps rightfully his further and further away. I knew he had to come down some time, so my camera remained trained on him, and of course, come down he did. The hyenas were far away by this time – his chance, however slim, was gone.
Leopard-up-Tree-by-Sanjana-Manaktala


We chose not to follow the grieving dogs, the starving leopard or the feasting hyenas, because each of them deserved their peace. Mike has said time and again, that whether we see it or not, there is no doubt that animals mourn. It was time to let the pack mourn the death of the fourth of their litter of eight, while the leopard searched for scraps for his meal and the hyenas gorged. Another thing Mike says fairly often is that The Lion King did for hyenas what Jaws did for the Great White Shark. Though it’s clear that hyenas outrank, outfight, and outsmart most other predators, it’s hard to let go of the prejudice against them, specially when you hear them shrieking – but let go we must. They won the day’s fight fair and square.
Leopard-and-Rhino-Close-Drian-Datnow



It’s a harsh world out there – survival of the fittest, they say. We go about our daily lives uncaring of others, perhaps to the extent of ruthlessness. But the beauty of bush, coming back to pearls of wisdom cast by Mike, is that they kill because they must eat – there is absolutely no deceit in it.

Londolozi as a whole is impossible to forget, and perhaps one would say our luck has been extraordinary, but I prefer to believe that a lot of it has to do with Jerry and Mike and the skill and passion they bring to their day-to-day work. They’ve been our guides to the animal world – its love and loss, gentleness and brutality, life and death – embodying the indomitable all-encompassing spirit of the African bush.

http://blog.londolozi.com/2011/09/wild- … and-hyena/

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Львице фартануло.

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White Rhinoceros, African Wild Dogs, Spotted Hyenas, Leopard

Wild Dog pup killed by Leopard and Hyena

by Rich Laburn on September 15, 2011

in Guest's Footage,Wildlife Diary
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Все-таки повезло очевидцам увидеть всю эту драму, к тому же с участием нескольких представителей африканского континента.

P.s. Детишкам в дикой природе приходится не сладко, но таковы реалии закона природы...

Волк и ликаоны из Тбилисского зоопарка.
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Below is a study of canid craniodental adaptations for killing large prey. Several key measurements point to ability to subdue and kill prey or another carnivore.

The tables below clearly show the wolf, dhole, african wild dog and bush dog form a distinct group from other canids. The big-game killing caninds fall into Group 1 possessing strong bites, large killing teeth, wide muzzles, and carnivorous dentition. Group 2 are highly carnivorous species which kill mostly small prey. Group 3 are omnivorous feeders which sometimes tackle large prey. Group 4 consists of highly omnivorous feeders which kill mostly small prey. Therefore, in terms of craniodental killing ability (assuming no body suze differences) Group 1> Group 3 > Group 2 > Group 4.

Among the big-game killing canids, the AWD stands out. The following are some key measurements:

C1 - Upper Canine Size (Square Root Upper Canine area/Condylobasal Skull Length)

Relevance - Main Killing Teeth - Cause Wounds and Hold Prey/Opponent

AWD: .047
Wolf: .045
Bush Dog: .042
Dhole: .040

I2 and I3 - Upper Incisors 2 and 3 Size - Help Hold Prey and Cause Large Wounds (Square Root of I2 and I3 Area/Condylobasal Skull length)

The following study explains how long incisors in conjunction with curved incisor arrangement cause larger wounds than can be achieved by canines alone. In addition, large and strong incisors reduce stress on canines increasing flexibility to bite freely and also maintain grip.

Source: Naturwissenschaften 87, 41–44 (2000)

The AWD has the largest Incisors for its skull size:

I2

AWD: .032
Wolf: .031
Dhole: .028
Bush Dog: .026

I3

AWD: .036
Wolf: .033
Dhole: .032
Bush Dog: .030

MAT - Measures Mechanical Advantage of Temporalis Muscle - Higher Ratio Means Stronger Bite Given Same Amount of Jaw Muscles

Temporalis more associated with penetrating bite.

Bush Dog: .273
AWD: .272
Wolf: .268
Dhole: .248

MAM - Measures Mechanical Advantage of Masseter Muscle - Higher Ratio Means Stronger Bite Given Same Amount of Jaw Muscles

Masseter more associated with holding bite.

Dhole: .433
Bush Dog: .427
Wolf: .426
AWD: .423

IxP4 - Measures Strength of Jaw Under Carnassial - Higher figures may indicate relatively stronger bite since jaw must be able to resist force of bite. Unfortunately, amount at canine not given which is more relevant.

Bush dog: .061
AWD: .060
Dhole: .060
Wolf: .058

C1-C1 Measures Width of Canines Divided Condylobasal Skull Length - Higher Values Indicate Relatively Wider Snouts And Greater Ability to Hold a Bite All Else Being Equal Since Forces Distributed Over Wider Area

AWD: .047
Wolf: .045
Bush dog: .041
Dhole: .040

RBL - Relative Blade Length for Carnassial - Higher Values Indicate More Carnivorous Diet and Perhaps More Killing Experience

Dhole: .689
AWD: .659
Wolf: .646
Bush dog: .637

Source: Van Valkenburgh B, Koepfli KP (1993) Cranial and dental adaptations
to predation in canids. Sym Zool S 65:15–37