и ещё одно, трусость - это проявление человека, но никак не животного...

Мирацилникс - еще и более осторожная чем лев!!

Но не как не трусливая!!

Джон, "А то что тигр трус, и боиться льва, даже превосходя его размерами, это 100%...."
Особенно на отрывке из фильма "Большая клетка", который можно посмотреть на ютюбе это видно.:-)

"То что лев начисто лишен чувства страха, подтверждают даже многие охотники."
Знаете кто лишен начисто чувства страха?:-)


"Я согласен с заключением зоологов о больших размерах клыков и когтей, большем среднем весе тигра. Тигр больше близок к кошачьим, если судить по его повадкам, одиночному образу жизни, строению тела, то он как раз и охотник превосходный и в этом мастерстве лев ему уступает. Он более гибкий, стремительный, более яростный, как и подобает быть дикому коту  Но боец он хреновый............................ и перед львом явно пасует.  Просто психологически он ему не соперник."

Ага, больше, ситремительнее, ловче, но тем не менее хреновый боец. Логика просто железная.

Ок.


Интересные данные:

A black tiger is a rare color variant of the tiger and is not a distinct species or geographic subspecies. There are unconfirmed reports and one painting (now lost) of pure black non-striped tigers (true melanistic tigers), but no physical evidence. What was thought to be a black tiger was either a black jaguar or a black leopard. Most black mammals are due to the non-agouti mutation. Agouti refers to the ticking of each individual hair. In certain light, the pattern still shows up because the background color is less dense than the color of the markings.


So-called black tigers are due to pseudo-melanism. Pseudo-melanistic tigers have thick stripes so close together that the tawny background is barely visible between stripes. Such tigers are said to be getting more common due to inbreeding. They are also said to be smaller than normal tigers, perhaps also due to inbreeding or because large black leopards are misidentified as black tigers. A discussion of black tigers was presented by British cryptozoologist Dr Karl Shuker in his book Mystery Cats of the World[1].

In 1773, while in the service of British East India Company in Kerala, southwest India, artist James Forbes painted a watercolor of a black tiger shot a few months earlier by the Nairs (the Kshatriya warrior group among Hindus in that region). The painting has been lost, but Forbes' description of it survives:

I shave also the opportunity of adding the portrait of an extraordinary Tyger [sic], shot a few months ago by the Nairs in this neighborhood, and presented to the chief as a great curiosity. It was entirely black yet striped in the manner of the Royal-Tyger, with shades of a still darker hue, like the richest black, glossed with purple. My pencil is very deficient in displaying these mingled tints; nor do I know how to describe them better than by the difference you would observe in a black cloth variegated with shades of a rich velvet.

This corresponds to ghost markings similar to those on black panthers.

A black tiger from the East Indies was exhibited in the Tower of London menagerie, founded in the 13th Century by Henry III and operational until 1831 (it was relocated to its present site in Regent's Park, now London Zoo); however, it was more likely to have been a black leopard. The 1786 book, "Sophie in London" records Sophie's impressions of this cat: "The all-black tiger, which Mr. Hastings brought with him from the East Indies is most handsome, but his tigery glance is horrible." The Observer newspaper on 27 January 1844 records a black tiger (again, probably a black leopard) intended as a present for Napoleon from the King of Java. This tiger was displayed at Kendrick's menagerie in Piccadilly, London. A black tiger pelt displayed at the Los Angeles Country Museum, USA was probably a black leopard-""

In March 1846, the naturalist C.T. Buckland reported a black tiger in the Chittagong Hills (now in Bangladesh) where it was raiding cattle. It was shot with a poisoned arrow and its body was later discovered but it was too decomposed to skin. Buckland's account for The Field, which was printed in the Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society (JBNHS) during 1889, documented the case of a black tiger killed at Chittagong. The report is even more dubious because over 40 years had elapsed between the actual event and the report; all of the party members that could have corroborated his story had died.

In September 1895, a very clear sighting of a supposed black tiger was made by Colonel S. Capper using a hunter's telescope; the tiger disappeared into the jungle. The presence of black leopards in the area and the difficulty of accurately judging size makes this a dubious report though. The various accounts of black tiger sightings were detailed in "The Wildlife of India" by E.P. Gee.

In 1913, A.T. Hauxwell fired at an apparent black tiger near Bhamo, in Burma, but it escaped. He reported this in the JBNHS.

A jet-black tiger with no visible markings was apparently shot in Assam, India in 1915; unlike most melanistic big cats, which have shadowy patterns visible from certain angles, this jet black individual had no appearance of striping. A dead black tiger was reported south of Assam in 1928, but the skin was too decayed to be saved. Another one from around the same date was reported in the Central Provinces and had dark brown coats with black markings T. Banjie's report "Tigers in China " (1983) alleged several sightings of black tigers in the Dongning area of China. Sightings occurred in 1951, 1953 and 1957 and a black tiger was allegedly captured in 1972. Black tigers are also part of Vietnamese legend. The depletion of tigers in those regions may have eliminated the carriers of genes for melanism and pseudo-melanism. A "black tiger" shot in Manipur state in the early 1930s was actually an Asian black bear, but was called a black tiger to take advantage of the bounty offered for such creatures. In 1936, a black tiger captured in Dibrugarh turned out to be a black leopard, but a skin with chocolate brown background and black stripes was reported in the same year in the Central Provinces.

A.A. Dunbar Brander of the British Indian Forest Service witnessed a tiger getting covered in blood from a fresh kill and as the blood dried it appeared black. He said, "Had I not witnessed this transformation and come on the tigers without being aware of what had happened, I would have been firmly convinced that I had seen a black tiger."

According to S.H. Prater writing for the JBNHS in January 1937, The London Evening News, 10 October 1936, published a Reuters account of a black "Royal Bengal" tiger captured in a forest in Dibrugarh, Assam. The manager of a local tea estate captured the tiger in a baited iron cage. The Conservator of Forests, Assam was unable to get a clear view of the black tiger, but advised the Society that it was trapped on 4 September 1936 in the Nepaphoo Tea Estate owned by Bagchi Brothers of Dibrugarh and it was sold to wild animal dealers Messrs PKB Akuli of Barrackpore Road, Calcutta. Dr. Baini Prashad, Director of the Zoological Survey of India, Indian Museum, Calcutta made further inquiries and learned that the creature was a black leopard and not, as reported by Reuters, a tiger. Sankahal noted that the "Dibrugarh Black Tiger" reported to be 12 feet long and 3.5 feet high turned out to be a 7 ft black leopard. R. I. Pocock wrote "A ridiculous measurement (12 ft) ever for a tiger: the animal would require another pair of legs in the middle of its body, like a billiard table, to support its weight."

Pocock's article in the JBNHS[2] recorded 3 reports of black tigers: the 1846 Chittagong specimen reported by Mr. C. F. Buckland in the Field[3] and in the JBNHS;[4] the 1913 Bhamo, Burma specimen reported by Mr. A. T. Hauxwell[5] and the Lushai Hills, Assam specimen.[6] Col. S. Capper,[7] while shooting in the Cardamom Hills, S. India, saw through a telescope a black animal lying on a rock and identified it as a tiger. Black leopards were present in the area and the identification is therefore dubious. Brigadier General Burton wrote in his book "Sport and Wildlife in the Deccan" that light and shade in the jungle can give erroneous impressions of an animal's color, thus casting doubt on Hauxwell's black tiger also.

Captain Guy Dollman of the British Natural History Museum wrote in The Times, 14 October 1936 of 2 cases of melanism in the tiger. The first was a young individual shot in the Central Provinces some years previously. It was dark brown all over with stripes appearing black on the dark ground color. The second was an animal shot in 1915 by natives east of Dibrugarh, Assam. Dollman wrote, "There can be no doubt that the animals I have referred to above were tigers and not leopards". In response to Dollman, W.H. Carter wrote in the Times of 16 October 1936

"I was much interested in Captain Guy Dollman's letter on black tigers in The Times of October 14, having been resident in the neighborhood mentioned by him for years. In one of the official district Gazetteers of Bengal (Khulna or Backerganj) there is mentioned a local variety of tiger which had lost its stripes as camouflage in the open sandy tracts of Sundarbans. The uniform color scheme adopted was however, brown and not black, but perhaps his cousin in the hinterland found black more suited to his background. The author of the Gazetteer in question is, I believe, dead."

In the early 1970s, Oklahoma City Zoo's pair of tigers had three cubs that were abnormally colored. One had the normal background color but all four limbs were abnormally dark. The second had dark feet, though these gradually grew lighter as it matured and became the normal color when it reached adulthood. The third had the normal background color, but considerable darkening over the shoulders, down both front legs, over the pelvis, and encompassing both back legs. The darkening was more-or-less the same color as the stripes. The striped pattern was only visible over the darkened areas. Unfortunately, two of the three cubs were killed by the mother, leaving only the dark-footed cub. The black cub was preserved in formalin. Quite possibly it also would have become lighter in color as it matured.

In 1999 L. A. K. Singh[8] gave a very detailed account of the Melanistic Tiger in India. During the winter of 1975/6, two adult black tigers were seen in bright sunlight on the road leading to Matughar meadow; the sighting was made by Orissa Forest Service officials accompanied by two foreign tourists. In 1991, a black cub was seen with two adults and a normal color cub at Devasthali, though this sighting was dismissed as an optical illusion. During 1996, adult black tigers were observed several times. A yellow-striped black tiger was seen near Baladaghar . A black tiger was seen near Bachhurichara, between Patabil and Devasthali. Some time later, a yellow-striped black tiger was seen between Patabil and Devasthali.

In 1992, the pelt of another apparently true melanistic tiger was confiscated from a hunter and smuggler at Tis Hazari, south Delhi. The top of the head and back were black, while the sides showed shadow striping on a black background color. The pelt was exhibited at the National Museum of Natural History, New Delhi, in February 1993. In 1993, a young boy shot a melanistic female tiger in self defence with a bow and arrow, near the village of Podagad, west of Similipal Tiger Reserve. Initial examination suggested the background color was black with white abdominal stripes and tawny dorsal stripes. According to Valmik Thapar in Tiger: The Ultimate Guide, the only proof of black tigers is a skin with a black head and back. K. Ullas Karanth wrote in The Way Of The Tiger that a partially black tiger was recently killed by poachers in Assam. [9] [10]

Есть ещё голубые тигры:

Crazy Zoologist :

Беналец мне так же нравится как и амурец, но справедливости ради надо сказать, что бенгальский щас крупнее так как его больше и он лучше охраняется. Амурских прессуют.

Кстати, не факт. Бенгальских тигров при всей охране за последние 15 лет стало почти в 3 раза меньше (видел 3500 -> 1300), а популяция амурских тигров стабильная с 80-х и самая большая в мире в едином ареале.

Глеб :

Потом тигры сейчас  почему-то очень популярны,  чем львы, а это тоже имеет значение.  Завтра  спрос  поменяется и все станет наоборот, в том числе и весовые данные, и даже дикая природа это учтет и соответственно...

В начале 20-го века львы были популярнее тигров. А сейчас наоборот и, я думаю, причина в том, что тигры намного более редкие.

Отредактировано Naturalist (02 April 2010 22:12:59)

John, получаете предупреждение! Читайте сообщение 2056 .

В американском фильме "Повелитель животных", снимался чёрный тигр!

Тоже смотрю ролик появился с комментариями: тигр завалил гаура, переплыл с ним через реку и на этом берегу поедает его. Ведь страшно как интересно посмотреть  своими глазами хоть и в кино...
   Открываю ролик и вижу на берегу реки стоит тигр не выдающихся размеров, а может тигрица, около трупа гаура и выедает ему зад. Такого гаура на самом деле ему и сдвинуть с места сложновато  будет. И таких мягко говоря сомнительных роликов очень много.  Просто некоторые авторы деньги на этом делают стремясь привлечь наше внимание и тем самым заработать.
   Потом  еще раз: кастрация влияет на рост животных примерно увеличивая до 30% по сравнению с обычными, причем за более короткое время. Думаю я не забыл это.

Miracinonyx :

лев - просто автомат по защите территории и снабжающих его самок

Любая кошка-самец является автоматом по защите территории и самок. В этом его основное предназначение, ради этого он будет сражаться насмерть.

Miracinonyx :

просто тигр намного умнее

Ай-ай-ай, опять домыслы. У вас явно устаревшее представление о львах, весьма распространенное в прошлом и основанное, главным образом, на работе Шаллера. Но почему-то все дружно забывают, что львы живут не только в Серенгети.

Глеб :

Есть там белый самец 260 кг

260 кг весил как раз сам Сион, хотя белый лев (Гандор) явно не меньше:

Naturalist :

бенгальские тигры "разбросаны" по нескольким ареалам

Вот-вот, все 1500-2000 бенгальцев (а если исключить сундарбанцев, то намного меньше) раздроблены на десятки небольших популяций численностью обычно несколько десятков особей, плотно окруженных миллионами людей. Так что амурец находится в более выгодном положении.

Отредактировано Hardcorp (02 April 2010 23:31:21)

Crazy Zoologist :

Натуралист, а с этими данными что делать?

А что хочешь, то и делай, они не актуальны. Я дал ссылку на правительственный отчет (2005-2008 гг). А если для середины 90-х твоя информация верна, то тем более ясно, что бенгальских тигров стало в разы меньше.

Hardcorp, я не буду особо спорить, просто напомню, что благодаря своеобразному устройству общественной жизни льву почти не приходится заниматься жизнеобеспечением. Осноной его активностью оказывается убийство самых крупных жертв, которых предварительно выследят, окружат и остановят его самки - и патрулирование территории и драки за гарем.
У тигра-самца основной проблемой является жизнеобеспечение, включающее в себя еще и крайне интенсивной взаимодействие с людьми (уклонение, избегание ловушек, таскание скота и т.п.) и только по выполнению этой задачи - осеменение самок. Все это - в одиночку, без поддержки группы. Жизненные стратегии разные.
Кроме того, это не аргумент, но тем не менее: лев просто ВЫГЛЯДИТ тупым, как бревно. Простая машина убийства, как крокодил. Ни малейшего удивления у меня лично бесстрашие льва не вызывает - он должен быть таким. Иначе пойдет выбраковка в качестве самца-хозяина гарема. И вдобавок, лев, похоже, просто не соображает, что такое страх. Более глупой кошки я лично не знаю, если честно. И вдобавок, ни малейшего "королевского благородства" бесстрашие льва не несет - львы садисты еще те.
Тигр - иначе. У тигра в глазах сознанение светится, а у льва глаза, словно стекляшки у чучела. В отличие от вполне осмысленного взгляда львицы, кстати.

Как после открытия тема оживилась!Натуралист,спасибо,интересная инфа,не встречал.Кстати,кто нибудь встречал фото черного тигра в хорошем качестве.И может подскажете где скачать фильм про черного тигра?